either / or would nean reinstalling a lot of programs and for just one program that i'm having a problem with it'd be like bringing a nuke when a grenade would do the job. though i just might try the fresh install approach again and this time install 7tsp before i install bitdefender, cause to be honest installing bd before i tweaked the system this time i was expecting the system to baulk big time. only being 7tsp i got off pretty easy.