Mandrake / Mandriva / Mageia 5

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Mandrake / Mandriva / Mageia 5

need an opinion. years ago when i was thinking of switching windows for linux mandrake is what
i liked out of the various versions our. over the years it's branched off to become mandriva and
now mageia. i would like to know what you guys know and think about it.

https://www.mageia.org/en/5/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBkpF49moQM

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BUMP no one?

[chenzen666]

not tried mageia 5 yet but i liked the first version . I still use mandriva powerpack 2009.1 as it does all that i want except play games...lol

the new version does look nice and has loads of repositries so you can get other software that you might want .

i will test this out over the weekend and report back.

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not tried mageia 5 yet but i liked the first version . I still use mandriva powerpack 2009.1 as it does all that i want except play games...lol

the new version does look nice and has loads of repositries so you can get other software that you might want .

i will test this out over the weekend and report back.

chenzen666 (http://virtualcustoms.net/member.php/170803-chenzen666) cool, much appreciated, looking forward to your feedback, thanks a lot.

[Shemhamforash]

I saw your question, but I wasn't sure how to answer because I've not used this distribution. From looking it up and reading some details about it Mageia is the fork of Mandrake and it's a popular distribution on Distrowatch, usually a good sign. The problem I have with this distribution is this here:
"Mageia is planned to be released on a 9-month release cycle, with each release to be supported for 2 cycles, that is 18 months."

Whereas with Ubuntu and Mint have cycles described here:
"Every fourth release, issued on a two-year basis, would receive long-term support (LTS). LTS releases get regular point releases with support for new hardware and integration of all the updates published in that series to date. Since Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, desktop support for LTS releases was increased to five years."

I think with Mint it's somewhat easy and troublefree to update to new versions once it's already installed. Ubuntu you're looking at reinstalling the whole OS. Apparently it's doable on Mageia as well:

"The Mageia Update notification applet, Mageia Online, will notify you that a new Mageia release is available, and ask if you wish to upgrade. If you agree, the upgrade will be carried out from within your Mageia installation without any further steps being necessary."

So you'd be looking at doing major system updates every year and a half.
Looking at their software management options it appears they have put a lot of work into the software centers and they look very refined and professional.
Then it says here: "urpmi is Mageia's command line tool for managing packages and repositories (media)." Now I don't know how many distributions use this tool but I haven't before, and distributions like Ubuntu or Mint have nice software centers as well and using the apt-get command in a terminal is the method I would use. My point is, it seems like you may need to learn quite a few distro-specific things if you're using Mageia rather than a Debian based distribution where there is an umbrella of a lot of similar distributions that use the same command line tools.

I personally don't like having any software preinstalled on my system because I want to know what exactly is on it so I may be able to solve new problems or fix something that is broken. This is why I use Arch but it's a hardcore distro that's for people who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty and delve deep into the system.

Overall Mageia's a good choice and you've got all the desktop environments to choose from, they mention on their website that KDE is their most popular one. Hope this helps a bit.

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Shemhamforash (http://virtualcustoms.net/member.php/280089-Shemhamforash) yeah i like megeia simply because it's a distro i'm already pretty familiar with, with it being previously mandrake/mandriva. then you add the fact that you can do a in-place upgrade when with ubuntu you have to do a fresh install each time. as far as i'm concerned they can update every 3 months as long as i don't have to do a fresh install EVERY time. as you mentioned as a added bonus it has multiple desktop environments that you can switch from within the os even after your initial choice during installing.

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Mageia 5 - So Much Better Than Last Time (http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/08/mageia-5-so-much-better-than-last-time.html)

Posted by Gary Newell | at 21:33 9 comments (http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/08/mageia-5-so-much-better-than-last-time.html#comment-form)

Introduction

Well everybody, as you may or may not know I haven't always been the biggest fan of Mageia.

My last review was called "Mageia 3 - Gone In 60 Seconds (http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2013/08/mageia-3-gone-in-60-seconds.html)". It was given this title for two reasons. The first is that I likened Mageia to Eleanor, the one car that Nicholas Cage couldn't tame and for various reasons I have always come unstuck whilst using Mageia. The second reason was that 60 seconds was about as long as I was prepared to have Mageia installed on my computer because it just didn't work when compared to other distributions offering the same benefits such as openSUSE, Ubuntu and Fedora.

Two years have past and I skipped Mageia 4 entirely. The thing is though that Mageia does appear to be very popular and it has ridden high in the Distrowatch rankings for a number of years. Whilst the rankings aren't to be taken too seriously they do give at least an indication of popularity.

Mageia is aimed largely at similar user bases to Fedora, openSUSE and Ubuntu but over the years it hasn't half done some strange things. I mean the sort of things that make you shout "why have you done it like that?", "why does the GNOME network applet not let you choose the wireless network?", "why can't I create a bootable USB?".

I don't like to be over critical of other people's work and if I get the chance I like to set the record straight and I welcome the option to have my opinions changed. That is where Mageia 5 comes in. How did it fare this time around?

How To Get Mageia
You can download Mageia from https://www.mageia.org/en-gb/downloads/ (https://www.mageia.org/en-gb/downloads/)

There are three options available:


Classic installation
Live media
Network installation

If you go for the classic installation you will end up with big Bertha in terms of file size. If you go for the network installation then the initial download is small but as you choose your installation options the download will increase. The live media gives a sample of Mageia without going full monty and I generally recommend downloading the live media for a distribution. Any other packages can usually be installed from the package manager at a later date. If you have a poor internet connection or you want a USB that boots instantly without having to create it first then you can buy a Mageia USB or DVD from osdisc.com (https://www.osdisc.com/products/mageia?affiliate=everydaylinuxuser).
Installation


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This time around Mageia proved to be a delight to install. The Mageia website has a good installation guide and lists different ways to create a USB drive whether you are starting from Windows or another Linux distribution. I created my own guide for creating a Mageia USB drive (http://linux.about.com/od/howtos/fl/How-To-Create-A-UEFI-Bootable-Mageia-Linux-USB-Drive.htm) for those of you using Windows and thinking of installing Linux for the first time. I found that the Win32 Disk Imaging tool worked better for Mageia than the other suggested option which is Rufus. After creating a Mageia USB drive you might want to consider reading the Mageia and Windows 8.1 dual boot guide (http://linux.about.com/od/howtos/ss/How-To-Dual-Boot-Mageia-Linux-And-Windows-81.htm). How does Mageia's installer compare to Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, openSUSE and Debian? The Ubuntu and Mint installers are obviously very easy to follow and Fedora's isn't too bad now either.

If I had to list them in order I would say that the order would go something like this, from easiest to hardest:


Linux Mint
Ubuntu
Mageia
Fedora
Debian
openSUSE

The openSUSE partitioning piece is just too convoluted. Mageia's on the other hand is really easy, even if you want to dual boot with Windows 8.



First Impressions


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Mageia starts with a welcome screen with links to documentation, support and community options including release notes, the forum, a wiki and a rather good newcomers howto section. The desktop environment that I chose was GNOME and so there isn't much to report on the way it is laid out as by and large it is a standard GNOME installation. Incidentally it is worth pointing out that from the user login menu you can choose whether to use GNOME, GNOME classic or GNOME with Wayland.



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In my previous review of Mageia I made the mention of the black dash screen. Whatever caused this issue (I know it was two years ago, so shouldn't be too surprised) has now been fixed. The performance of Mageia is good and there were no crashes during the time I used it. That doesn't mean there aren't any problems at all though.

Connecting To The Internet


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In my previous review of Mageia I commented on the fact that the GNOME network manager applet didn't work. Mageia 5 has resolved this issue, but not in the way you might think. The network manager applet just isn't there at all. During the installation of Mageia you get the opportunity to create a connection to a wireless network and part of the setup lets you choose to have that connection start at boot time. For people who only use one wireless network this would generally suffice. If you use your laptop to travel and connect to multiple networks then this isn't particularly ideal. To connect to a different wireless network you have to use the Mageia Control Centre which is in itself a really good tool to help you manage your system. The network management tool that the control centre links to is adequate enough at letting you change your wireless network but it isn't as simple as selecting from a list in the top right corner of the screen which the standard GNOME applet provides.

I have copied this text from the comments section as it maybe helpful to those of you who decide to install Mageia. (Thanks to ReinoutS).
There's a secret trick to enable the NetworkManager applet:
If you want to switch to NM, just enable NM (service network stop;systemctl enable NetworkManager; systemctl start NetworkManager) and youcan then abandon draknetcenter and all your interfaces flip over to bemanaged by NM. You don't even have to touch draknetcenter to do this,nor edit any connection file.

The Mageia Control Centre


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The Mageia control centre lets you manage your entire system from installing software to setting up network connections, from installing hardware to setting up NAS drives. I like many of you, am now in the situation where most of my hardware is external and wireless. I have an Epson workforce printer which can be accessed not just from any device in my house but by any device on the internet. I can send an email to my printer and it will print it. How easy was it to set up this printer within Mageia? Well it wasn't as instant as installing it within Ubuntu but on the other hand it wasn't as hard as installing it via Windows 8. In reality within Mageia all I had to do was go to the Epson website and download the appropriate drivers. Incidentally, Android provided the simplest solution for setting up the printer. I find that everything seems to be easier to do on my phone now than on a computer. The other main network device I have is a Western Digital MyCloud drive. My setup is a little complicated however. Due to my location (very remote) getting a landline broadband connection is hopeless and so I use mobile broadband. These devices don't provide an ethernet port and the MyCloud device is reliant on an ethernet port. I therefore have a TPLink wireless bridge which uses a wireless connection and provides an ethernet out to the WDMyCloud device. How easy was it to connect to this drive within Mageia? Actually it was very easy. Mageia has Samba installed and all I had to do was select the drive and mount it. All I had to do was open Nautilus and I could read perfectly well from the drive and play audio and video as well.



Audio


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Audio is provided within Mageia by the default GNOME music player. This tool is easy enough to use and you can choose to view by song, artist or album as well as create your own playlists. There weren't any issues playing MP3 audio.

Video


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Playing videos caused a few issues. Most of my videos are stored in MP4 format and as soon as I started trying to playback the videos a message came up stating that I would need to install a driver. At first the system couldn't find a driver and then when it did the videos would play but there wasn't any sound. Rather frustratingly for other people who might suffer from similar symptoms I was able to fix the issue but I am unsure as to what actually fixed the issue. I started off by turning on the tainted libraries and installing the GStreamer bad and ugly packages although these were already installed from the normal repositories. I also decided to install VLC to see if that would fix the problem and I soon realised I didn't have audio in that either. After a frustrating hour or so I packed the laptop back in its case, went shopping with my wife and kids and when I came back set in for another go but bizarrely it just started working. I guess the old "turn it off and on again" was all that was required?

Flash


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I am not sure if Flash is supposed to be working or not. I tried Youtube and at first it said I was missing the Flash plugin and then it started playing the video anyway but again I was stuck without sound. I have a simple was of dealing with the Flash thing nowadays. Install Google Chrome and have done with it. After I installed Chrome the video played perfectly well, I was able to play games and the sound worked. I don't think any Linux distribution (or indeed any operating system) should be judged on its ability to play Flash video. It is more a symptom of the failures of Flash than Linux in my opinion). Here is a hint from the comments section showing how to install Flash without using Chrome (Thanks Mindaugas):You can check program "Mageia Welcome Screen". In section "Aplications", you can find flash player, and easily install. Now about multimedia codecs. You must enable nonfree and tainted repos. Please check Mageia wiki https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Install_media_in_Mageia_for_beginners (https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Install_media_in_Mageia_for_beginners)

Applications

I used the live version of Mageia and this may differ from the full installation. The GNOME version of Mageia has everything the average person needs to get started.



Archive Manager - Zip File Management
Brasero - DVD burner
Calculator - Calculator
Cheese - Webcam Viewer
Contacts - Contact Manager
Desktop Search
Digidoc Client - Secure document signing
Documents - Document Viewer
Document Viewer - PDF reader
Ekiga Softphone - VOIP
Evolution - Email Client
Files - File Manager
Firefox - Web Browser
gEdit - Text Editor
GIMP - Image Editor
GParted - Partition Editor
Hexchat - IRC Chat
LibreOffice - Office Suite (including word processor, spreadsheet tool, presentation software, draw
Music - Audio Player
Notes - Sticky Notes
Photos - Photo Viewer
Polari - Chat
Remote Desktop - Remote Desktop Client
Screenshot
sFTP - FTP Client
Shotwell - Photo Manager
Sound Juicer - CD Ripper
Videos - Video Player
VNC Viewer - VNC Client


Installing Applications


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As mentioned previously most administration tasks can be done by using the Mageia Control Centre. Installing applications is no different in this respect. There are two tools which can be selected. The first tool lets you configure the repositories where the software can be installed from and the second physically lets you choose the software you want to install. The list of repositories is actually quite long with links to local repositories (i.e the installation DVD/USB), core repositories, updates, backports, non-free, tainted and 32-bit. The graphical installer is fairly straight forward to use and at least it isn't the Ubuntu Software Centre. The left pane has a list of categories and when one is selected the right pane shows the applications within that category. Selecting an application shows a description within the bottom right pane. The search bar at the top can be used to search by title or by a general description of the application you wish to find.


The Verdict

Mageia 5 works and it is so much better than any previous release that I have ever used. I think it would be good if the wireless connection could be chosen from the panel at the top of the screen rather than using the Control Centre but it isn't a huge issue and certainly should not detract from the positive aspects. The installer is very good and the average person should easily be able to follow the on-screen instructions. Failing that there is a comprehensive installation guide and wiki page on the Mageia website. GNOME is a great choice for the casual user as a desktop environment. It is easy to navigate and keeps out of the way. The Mageia Control Centre is a good tool for managing your software installations, your hardware and internet connections. There haven't been any crashes since I started using Mageia. The only real issue I had was the lack of sound whilst watching MP4 videos which I can't give an answer to because it suddenly started working again. (Cue the people saying "you had the volume turned down, didn't you?".


So with everything that has been written can I now recommend Mageia to the readers of this blog? Absolutely.


Thankyou for reading.

[BumSoo]

This is a most interesting post, however the stupid orange text is absolutely annoying to focus on and if that is your signature its really pathetic and worn out.

This opinion is based solely on my observation:gun:

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This is a most interesting post, however the stupid orange text is absolutely annoying to focus on and if that is your signature its really pathetic and worn out.

This opinion is based solely on my observation:gun:

BumSod being out and out rude for no reason and just being a general pri#k will get you banned. do this to ANYONE else on the forum and you can kiss your membership bye bye. there will be no further warnings. fyi you weren't making an observation you just decided to be an out and out a#s. (http://virtualcustoms.net/member.php/298829-BumSoo)

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@TheRudeDude> First of all you should at least spell someone's user name correct.. Second, I take back words stupid and pathetic, sorry. Now the green text is just as fuzzy and blurry as that orange was.. Also in many cultures bright colors are an insults in writing fonts, red is the worst.. Have a great day.

PS: That new Avatar rocks

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@TheRudeDude> First of all you should at least spell someone's user name correct.. Second, I take back words stupid and pathetic, sorry. Now the green text is just as fuzzy and blurry as that orange was.. Also in many cultures bright colors are an insults in writing fonts, red is the worst.. Have a great day.

PS: That new Avatar rocks


BumSod first that blue on a black background almost no one can read was and is asinine, second you were warned so bye bye banned. (http://virtualcustoms.net/member.php/298829-BumSoo)